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本帖最后由 棱丝 于 2016-10-4 08:18 编辑
Simon Spiers:
KOMZ 6x24 1964, Kazan Optical and Mechanical Plant. This small stumpy little Russian binocular is amazing. I had seen a lot of praise for this little instrument so I decided to see the results first hand. Considering the tiny objectives the image is incredibly bright. Image as with all Russian binoculars is tinted yellow, build is functional at best but the wide field and pin sharp image, along with it's small dimensions makes it a real gem. And BAK4 prisms.
N.B It has become common for this binocular to reach quite ridiculous prices on the used market, examples in mint condition going for almost ￡300.
Usable with Spectacles =No
figgy2010:
hello, i purchased a pair of these new from a photo shop in weymouth in 1968-69,i seem to remember they cost 21 pounds .i always thought then they were rather special.they were lost after loaning to a friend about 1985. Anyway i have just aquired another pair in wonderful condition, dating i think from 1975, a strange thing though, the letters n and w are reversed followed by a full stop and number 2, also the optics dont seem to have a yellow cast and seem to be, if my memory serves me, sharper and a little better corrected, puzzeling, anyway great postings.
Best wishes, glynn.
mac567uk:
Very nice but go for silly money these days!
isobizz:
Simon, finally got myself a pair of these - haven't arrived yet. They are #7001991 - do you have a way of dating Komz binoculars?
Simon :
isobizz, Its the first two digits of the serial number.
isobizz:
Thanks, Simon - after posting my question I managed to work that out after looking at various Komz listed on Ebay!
isobizz:
I now have them and thought I'd post a few impressions.
They are in pleasingly good condition, as is the case. Don't Komz do nice cases!
Surprisingly heavy for such small bins, and rather unbalanced on the lanyard, due to the ocular end being so much heavier than the objective end.
I had the oculars off, so I could clean the external lens properly (rather dirty) and also clean/lubricate the focus screw. Everything came apart straightforwardly. BIG heavy oculars, with 3 groups(6 lenses)- from inside out: triplet, doublet, single.
All elements are fully coated with what appear to be single coatings. I didn't get into the prisms as everything appears very clean in there, and I don't believe the bins have ever been apart. I assume the prisms are probably coated, as well.
Build quality is pretty good, though not outstanding, and the black paint doesn't seem overly tough, though these have very few chips, fortunately.
The view on rather a dull day looks pretty good and with a very nice wide field of view, though maybe not as outstandingly sharp as I'd hoped, given all the hype. I did also notice the yellowish cast.
All in all, a fascinating and different little binocular, which I'm very pleased with.
John L. Hyde-Smith:
I have just got one of these KOMZ 6X24s for ￡25 from a flea market in Lewes East Sussex, no case and more than a bit dusty and obviously well-used, but not to be missed I thought because the optics are clean and unmarked, and the KOMZ 6X24 has a reputation. Initial impressions after a quick clean are, very bright and sharp but the characteristic yellow tinge is evident.
All USSR binoculars seem to have this yellow tinge, anybody know why? In places the black enamel has rubbed off revealing olive green enamel underneath.
There are definitely bargains out there still, recently in the Saturday morning flea market in Upper Gardner Street Brighton I got a ZOMZ 7X50 in superb condition in its case for ￡15, the green and orange filters for the eyepieces are stll in their pockets inside the case, these have never been unwrapped. Sharpness and brilliance of the viewing with this one are phenomenal.
Simon Spiers:
John L. Hyde-Smith, Lewis is a great place to find nice stuff. You got a bargain, there. The yellow tint is often the result of a tinted lens in the oculars, some say it improves contrast if fog, which it does indeed seem to do.
There are other less plausible statements regarding radiation protection but that seems a bit far fetched.
They should give a wide sharp view if the internals are clear. I think the ZOMZ 7x50 will be second best after these.
John L. Hyde-Smith:
I should have mentioned that this KOMZ 6X24 (from its serial no.) dates from 1971. After I gave it a thorough clean I looked again through it and I would say that it's a gem, SO sharp and bright and with great resolution of detail.
Unlike most KOMZ or ZOMZ binoculars it doesn't look as if it derives from a Zeiss original, any thoughts about that anyone?
John L. Hyde-Smith:
Simon you're right, Lewes is a good place for finds. A couple of years ago I got a Ross "Bino Prism No. 5 Mark II" 7X50 with case, for ￡22. More recently, a Negretti and Zambra "Folding Minim" 5.5X16 turned up, this cost ￡38, no case however. The Folding Minim was made in London by Barton Linnard, the only clue to this being the marking "Barton's Patent".
It seems that all of the "Folding Minims" were made under contract to N. & G. and were marked with their name. On the showing of this example it gives good sharp viewing and is well made but quite heavy. I believe that it is around 100 years old.
Another place that has yielded finds is Newark on Trent, Notts. On a recent visit I got a 1937 CZJ Deltrintem with case, both in good condition, optics crystal clear, and on an earlier visit I found a cased Barr & Stroud CF30 7X49 in V.G. conition. This particular one is civilian but it seems that CF30 was used by the Royal Navy in the 1930s. CF30 uses a similar optical formula to the well known CF41 used by the Royal Navy during WW2 and for many years afterwards. In Brighton where I live I have had a few finds, most recently a Westinghouse 6X30 dated 1944 and made for U.S. armed forces. Sharp but heavy.
transiently permanent:
I like these glasses but am a bit confused about all the fuss about them. Yes, they are sharp in the centre and give a comfortable, pleasingly wide view which is reasonably bright, and obviously in a small, if not very light package. The close focus is very handy, too.
But apart from their small size and close focus, what actually is it that distinguishes them from other Russian designs? I haven't had mine long, but my initial impression is that some of my other Russians are at least as good.
Simon Spiers:
transiently permanent What impresses me most about these is how bright they are for such a small objective lens.
There are Russian binoculars as good as these but not at this size. A few 7x50's and the mill styled 6x30's are also fantastic.
transiently permanent:
OK, the "pleasingly wide" view is actually extremely wide. That is rather special. Mine have much less yellow than most Russians, too. However, the extremely wide view seems to carry the penalty of a very much less than optimally flat field; refocusing is required for sharp focus anywhere near the edges, which itself is, of course, a pain due to the rather under-engineered focus. Maybe there is some magic about the uniqueness of their properties...
transiently permanent:
Simon Spiers, I wrote the above before seeing your reply, Simon. I do agree about the brightness. Do you agree about the lack of flatness of field, or might it be an issue with mine?
Simon Spiers:
transiently permanent, Yes I do. They are not perfect and mine are less yellow than the other Russian models. But mine have really good resolution.
transiently permanent:
After another few days of use and comparisons, I found that mine really have exceptional central resolution which is higher than that of my other (mostly rather good) Russian binoculars, and also have a very un-Russian accuracy of colour, which is actually spot-on. I also get that strange globe-shaped effect I've heard of when panning with mine...is that likely to be a consequence of their curved field?
F Cottin:
The resolution is better than a lot of 8x30.
Very pleasant to use!
Simon Spiers:
Still on of my favourites. Not perfect but wide sharp and very usable.
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