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发表于 2006-2-27 16:47  | 显示全部楼层
[B]以下是引用[I]EDF[/I]在2006-2-26 22:00:03的发言:[/B][BR]<>世界观乌市场已经非常成熟,看来并不需要再作培育,只剩厂家的努力了。讲俗一点,是乌人们的银子已经摆出来了,就看厂家有没有本事去赚。</P><>观鸟界对稳像镜已有殷切需求,只是现有产品未能胜任而已。</P>

EDF所说的的确是个现实,就看厂家如何下功夫减小体积重量,美化外观了。
发表于 2006-2-27 16:48  | 显示全部楼层
[B]以下是引用[I]wfs55[/I]在2006-2-26 22:30:15的发言:[/B][BR]上两张Canon 10X42L IS镜的结构图。此材料是hmp提供的。<img src="attachments/dvbbs/2006-2/200622622284621542.jpg" border="0" onload="if(this.width>screen.width*0.7) {this.resized=true; this.width=screen.width*0.7; this.alt=\'Click here to open new window\nCTRL+Mouse wheel to zoom in/out\';}" onmouseover="if(this.width>screen.width*0.7) {this.resized=true; this.width=screen.width*0.7; this.style.cursor=\'hand\'; this.alt=\'Click here to open new window\nCTRL+Mouse wheel to zoom in/out\';}" onclick="if(!this.resized) {return true;} else {window.open(\'attachments/dvbbs/2006-2/200622622284621542.jpg\');}" onmousewheel="return imgzoom(this);" alt="" />
<img src="attachments/dvbbs/2006-2/200622622293296655.jpg" border="0" onload="if(this.width>screen.width*0.7) {this.resized=true; this.width=screen.width*0.7; this.alt=\'Click here to open new window\nCTRL+Mouse wheel to zoom in/out\';}" onmouseover="if(this.width>screen.width*0.7) {this.resized=true; this.width=screen.width*0.7; this.style.cursor=\'hand\'; this.alt=\'Click here to open new window\nCTRL+Mouse wheel to zoom in/out\';}" onclick="if(!this.resized) {return true;} else {window.open(\'attachments/dvbbs/2006-2/200622622293296655.jpg\');}" onmousewheel="return imgzoom(this);" alt="" />

看起来Canon10x42的目镜结构比较复杂,应该是在像质上下了很多功夫的。
发表于 2006-2-28 03:32  | 显示全部楼层
<>贴一段来自<STRONG><a href="http://www.excelsis.com" target="_blank" >http://www.excelsis.com</A>的有关Canon 12x36 IS II的用户评论。可惜是英文的,大家先看看吧。</STRONG></P>
<>[Note: Vote moved from description by webmaster]<BR><BR>These bino's really do provide extreme levels of fine, steady detail at all distances. IMO they may have no competition in the marketplace from any hand held instrument anywhere near their size ( @25 oz. w/alkalines, maybe 24 oz. w/lithiums), when conditions are bright enough. <BR><BR>And by "bright enough", I mean pretty much all of the time except on the darker cloudy days, dark forest, and 20 mins. before sunrise, 20 mins. after. The brightness is a bit surprising for a 3mm exit pupil. I'd say it's similar to (or better than) most all of the single coated 10x50's and 7x35's I've looked through. The Super Spectra multi-coatings are not "state of the art-near invisible" as say, Fujinon EBC, Astro-Physic refractors, etc., but seem to be perfectly applied, lovely, and very effective. <BR><BR>The Canon IS models are justifiably famous for their flatness of the FOV. My example seems razor sharp from center to maybe 85-90% toward the edge of FOV. This is excellent, and while it's required for night time stargazing, it's very pleasing to the eyes during the daytime too, compared to bino's with lesser performance in this area. Sharpness, contrast, and color rendition are very impressive. And speaking of color, I only see chromatic abberation when viewing very high contrast objects in extreme situations, such as when quartering toward the Sun, sometimes birds in flight, etc. Even then, it's a slight amount and very well controlled. The full moon will show some if you defocus or move your eyes off axis. But, on axis, and sharply focused, I notice maybe the tiniest band of blue/purple around the edge of the moon (if I look for it). Vastly improved, I'd say, over the first generation 12x36 IS I once owned, which is a contender for the "most false color" award in my experience. But then that was an unphase-coated roof prism design, I believe. Canon's done an excellent job with the baffling in this optical system. Put a streetlight or the moon just out of the FOV and you see no reflections. The optics without stabilization are VERY close in performance to the top end roofs and porros I've tried. <BR><BR>The 12x36 IS II seems to have everything in optical performance but that last percent though. Same case as with many very fine and highly regarded binoculars. They don't have that last percent of "ultra sharpness", and contrast you'll see through a Nikon 10x42 SE, or a late model Swarovski 10x40 W Habicht, or a Fujinon 16x70 FMT SX 2 I wish I hadn't sold, for examples. Notice that the binoculars I've mentioned are porro prism models. I haven't directly compared these new Canons with any high end roof prism models. However, I found the optics to be a bit better than a very fine and much loved, though now sold, Pentax 8x32 DCF SP I recently owned, for another example. <BR><BR>It's the combination of this high level of optical design with IS that makes this binocular special. It's hard to overstate the impact on your eyes' and brain's comfort level, while viewing for long periods of time, due to the beautiful optics and very effective IS. With the IS turned on, the view is significantly more steady than a 7x bino. More steady than my Silvamar 6x30's even. Very similar in steadiness to my son's $1.99 4x toy bino's. Not quite as steady though, as my old 1st gen. 12x36 IS. This might be due to the new model's weight (1/2 lb less). Or possibly Canon is pushing the 10x30 IS model's IS mechanism too far. Still, it's nearly rock-steady. As a side benefit, this seems to promote longer viewing sessions for me. You can still enjoy these binoculars after your arms are shaking a bit from fatigue, or when you're shivering slightly on a cold day or night. <BR><BR>Daytime atmospheric effects such as heat rising from fields, high humidity, high wind, etc. are more noticeable with a steady image, especially at a steady 12x. Put your conventional bino's on a tripod and you'll also see more of everything, good and bad. But, long distance viewing (and close-up) with these Canons on a clear, calm day is truly something to behold, and very memorable. Many times, I've spent 5-10 minutes enjoying the wealth of detail they show on the moon. Try that with non IS bino's. <BR><BR>Overall, the construction seems very solid. While it's certainly not bomb-proof like the top three Euro, and one Japanese maker's fine roof models, I wouldn't quite call it "camera like". Wouldn't want to drop it though. The shape of the housing, and the rubber armor, are to my hands particularly comfortable. It's not an ergonomic work of art, nor example of mechanical beauty like say, a Swarovski EL, but it's very nicely contoured. Focusing is fast, yet very silky and very light touch. It's not up to the level of a Starlight Instruments Feathertouch focuser's fine knob, but is nicely designed and executed. The focuser gets a pretty big thumbs-up from me. <BR><BR>This model is not a perfect design though. For example, a 4mm exit pupil has become (over the last 110 years), generally accepted as a kind of minimum for optimum daytime performance and ease of use. Smaller EPs just become progressively more "fiddly" to use. This bino doesn't quite have the instant "ease of use" that a 4-5 mm EP bino has. After my last two bino's (Fujinon 16x70 FMT SX 2, and Pentax 8x32 DCF SP, I was initially pretty disappointed with this 12x36. For me (and others around me),that feeling definitely changed after an hour or so of use, as I became accustomed to the nuances of handling them. You do get acclimated to them. Demo them in a store for a good while, as initially they might not have the eye comfort you're used to. <BR><BR>I understand that Canon has adapted the 10x30 IS body to build this 12x36 IS II. To save on R&amp;D costs and maximize profits for the near future, I assume. And their effort is a stunning success. However, Canon's next generation 12x should incorporate some adjustable eye cups, rain-guard, IS timer, click-stop or locking diopter adjustment, 65* apparent FOV would be most appreciated, and most importantly, 50 mm objectives. If they could do this and keep the weight down to 2 lbs. or so, they might dominate the market. All but the last two of these ideas could have been done without adding more than a few dollars to the price. <BR><BR>So, you're using 7 or 8 power binoculars for their wide FOV and steadiness, right? Well how about something with a view that's much more steady, yet brings you far closer to the object you're viewing? Or maybe you're using a high quality 10 to 12 power and putting up with a too shaky view. Anyone looking for binoculars in this price range (and higher) would do well to compare the Canon 12x36 IS II before making a decision. Bottom line: I love these binoculars. They show more fine detail than any hand-held instrument I've ever used. When does the 12x50 or 15x60 IS come out? </P>
<><B>Overall Rating:</B> 9<BR><B>Optics:</B>9 <B>Value:</B>9 <BR>Weight: 1 (<a href="http://www.excelsis.com/1.0/showlevels.php" target="_blank" >Unreliable Vote</A>)<BR>Date: 07/19/2005 05:50:51 am GMT<BR>By: Anonymous (xxx.xxx.111.130) <BR>Link to this vote: <B>http://www.excelsis.com/1.0/displayvote.php?voteid=446005</B> </P>
发表于 2006-2-28 03:36  | 显示全部楼层
咦,帖子怎么看不见呢?
发表于 2006-2-28 22:02  | 显示全部楼层
IS镜子不值,电子的东西日后恐怕贬值的厉害,看看数码相机吧,IS功能的越来越平常。[em07]
发表于 2006-2-28 23:10  | 显示全部楼层
<>IS镜子的价格普遍偏高,由于买的人少,东西自然贵了。</P>
<>下午去仔细看了看Canon12x36IS II,IS功能不错(需要持续按着按钮才行),挺稳定。另外该镜子的像场确实很平整,中心成像锐利,且中心和边缘差别很小(同比Swarovski7x42 Habicht的中心边缘差距就比Canon明显多了,而且7x42的视野为46度,Canon为60度)就是有点枕型畸变。</P>
发表于 2006-2-28 23:11  | 显示全部楼层
[B]以下是引用[I]bbwx[/I]在2006-2-28 14:02:11的发言:[/B][BR]IS镜子不值,电子的东西日后恐怕贬值的厉害,看看数码相机吧,IS功能的越来越平常。[em07]

集成类电子产品的故障极易发生,且发生无预兆,稳定性不好。
[em01][em01][em01]
发表于 2006-2-28 23:14  | 显示全部楼层
<>IS镜子自199x年出现来,好像贬值的不够快啊,这么多年了,价格依旧。关键是数码中的芯片能力不断上升,价格不断下降。</P>
<>而用于稳像望远镜的技术一直更新不快,价格下降慢啊。</P>
发表于 2006-2-28 23:15  | 显示全部楼层
<>需求量比较小,价格比较容易稳定。</P>
[em01][em01][em01]
发表于 2006-2-28 23:29  | 显示全部楼层
这个就是心态问题,镜子本身是拿来用的还是用来收藏保值的
发表于 2006-2-28 23:43  | 显示全部楼层
<>我宁可拿来使用,用坏了完事。</P>
发表于 2006-3-1 00:08  | 显示全部楼层
电子部分坏了也是个光学出色的好望远镜。
发表于 2006-3-1 01:04  | 显示全部楼层
<>是这样。真希望Canon也能够出品不带IS功能的相同镜子,光学效果肯定很好。</P>
<>例如Canon10x42 L IS...... 12x36也可以。</P>
发表于 2006-3-1 01:09  | 显示全部楼层
我想没有防水功能的10x30IS和12x36ISII 估计对湿气敏感,需要好好养护才行的。
发表于 2006-3-1 02:38  | 显示全部楼层
<>
[B]以下是引用[I]bbwx[/I]在2006-2-28 14:02:11的发言:[/B][BR]IS镜子不值,电子的东西日后恐怕贬值的厉害,看看数码相机吧,IS功能的越来越平常。[em07]
</P>

<>首先應該把光學和電子分開來看,光學產品基本不降價,反而昇價的機會效大,肯定會降價的只是電子部份。以DC為例,越來越便宜的是光學成份少電子成份大的小DC,和幾乎只是電子成份的DSLR機背,而幾乎是純光學的鏡頭,卻不降價。</P>
<>至於IS望遠鏡,光學比重非常大,所以只要光學好,價格就一定不會便宜,也少有降價的理由。</P>
<>順帶一提,以歐洲名鏡的光學品質,在沒有IS的情況下,比10X42ISL貴2000元也很合理。</P>
发表于 2006-3-1 02:59  | 显示全部楼层
<>Canon IS系列镜子的光学确实都不错,有特点。</P>

<>IS镜子像场平整应该是第一特点了。连10x30IS的表现都不错。</P>
发表于 2006-3-2 22:32  | 显示全部楼层
<>大家说说假如1万元预算,买Nikon14x40双模式稳像还是Canon15x50IS呢?或者干脆买个便宜些的Canon12x36 IS II呢??</P>
发表于 2006-3-2 22:53  | 显示全部楼层
头疼,想说两句,可是对IS一点也没概念。尼康和佳能都不错,以口径大小和倍率评判 自然是佳能好。[em01][em02][em02] 已经花了5000,也就不在乎8000了 呵呵 [em12][em12][em12]。我决定买slc850,EL ,br 其实也就不考虑EL价格贵多少了,听从EDF等大侠意见。好在玩过此镜,过个几年还有机会可以不停换镜。
[此贴子已经被作者于2006-3-2 15:02:20编辑过]

发表于 2006-3-2 23:26  | 显示全部楼层
记忆所及,NIKON的稳像镜无论光学和稳定性能都较好,但CANON的倍率和口径优势也不能少观。如何选择则看你用于何种用途及喜欢N家还是C家的成像风格了。
发表于 2006-3-2 23:28  | 显示全部楼层
<>但是Nikon的稳像模式比Canon好很多,其甲板模式可以用于颠簸的船上和直升机上稳定观察。而Canon只能站在地上看了。</P>
<>感觉买12x36IS II心有不甘,再加2000元就可以买Nikon14x40双模式稳像了。</P>

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