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(翻译)评测: DF 7x40 ,BPO 7x30(全七), Kronos BPWC 8x40

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发表于 2010-1-11 14:20  | 显示全部楼层 | 阅读模式
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原文来自http://www.holgermerlitz.de/kronos8x40.html
标题 Review: NVA DF 7x40 vs. BPO 7x30 vs. Kronos BPWC 8x40
by Holger Merlitz  翻译 北旅论坛footway

In another article, I have presented a review of the Kronos BPWC2 6x30 binocular. Here, I want to report on my experience with the larger 8x40 member of the product line, which also includes a 7x35 and a 10x50 device. The general features of this binocular are identical to the 6x30: Aluminum body, wide angle oculars, a central focus which feels a bit loose (but this time, at least, there is no play), and a camouflage painting. Apparently, the oculars and the prism housings do not differ from the 6x30 model. The eye relief is 17 mm but the hard-rubber eyecups are rigid and can not be pushed in for use with spectacles. The Kronos has got no reticle. It may be worth mentioning that, in contrast to the 6x30 version, the imprint on the right hand side prism housing does not read 'Kronos', but 'polje zrenija', meaning 'angle of field'. This binocular can be purchased at www.sutter-gmbh.com/ for 70 Euro.
在另外文章中,我做了对Kronos BPWC2 6x30 望远镜评测,这里,我想说说对该生产线上更大的产品成员8x40的体验。该生产线还生产7x35和10x50规格。这款望远镜有和6x30相同的一般特征:铝制镜身,广角目镜,中心调焦并且手感稍微松弛(但至少这只不是这样的),表面涂漆。显然,目镜和棱镜室与6x30是同一规格的。出瞳距离是17mm,硬橡胶制眼罩太硬,不能翻折以适合戴眼镜使用。Kronos镜子没有刻度线,值得指出的是,与6x30版本相比,在右棱镜室上的铭文不是“Kronos”,而是“polje zrenija”,表示“广角”。这镜子可以在www.sutter-gmbh.com以70欧元购买到。

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The Kronos 8x40

Competitors 评测对手

As usual, I have selected 2 other binoculars with similar specifications for a competition. The Kronos is advertised as a military grade device for sky surveillance. Therefore, I have chosen 2 contenders which are well known to be excellent military glasses: The East German NVA DF 7x40 and the Russian BPO 7x30.
通常,我选择另外2款有类似性能的望远镜作为对比。宣传上Kronos是作为对空警戒的军用品,因此我选择2款广为人知的优秀军用镜作为比较:东德NVA DF 7x40和俄罗斯BPO 7x30。

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The NVA DF 7x40. Right photo: On the left prism housing, the window for the IR detector is visible. On the right hand side is the adaptor for the reticle illumination.
NVA DF 7x40.右边照片:能看到左棱镜室上红外探测激励窗口,右棱镜室上有刻度板照明接口。

The DF was produced during the 1960s and 1970's by Carl Zeiss Jena for the East German army 'NVA' (Nationale Volksarmee). It is regarded as one of the finest binoculars made in Jena. It is featuring an extremely sturdy and heavy body, a reticle which can be illuminated by a battery powered device and a detector for active infra-red sources, which is charged by the UV contribution of the daylight. There are yellow filters (for use under hazy weather conditions) attached to the inner side of the ocular-cover. The eyecups are made of soft rubber and fold in so that the binocular can be used with gas-mask. It can be purchased in almost new condition on e-bay for about 200 Euro, which appears too less for such a fine binocular. In another review, the DF is compared against the Zeiss Jenoptem 7x50W and the Docter Nobilem 8x50 B/GA.
DF是1960年代和1970年代由卡尔.蔡斯.耶拿(Carl Zeiss Jena)为东德军队NVA (Nationale Volksarmee)生产的。被认为是耶拿生产的最好的望远镜之一。它的特征如下:有极其强壮和沉重的身躯,可用电池能源照明的刻度板和主动红外光源探测器(白天用紫外光激励),物镜盖内有黄色滤光片(用在朦胧情况下),软橡胶制成的目镜罩在戴眼镜使用时可被翻折。在Ebay上近乎全新的能卖到200欧元,对于如此好的镜子来说太便宜了。在另一篇评测,DF是和Zeiss Jenoptem 7x50W,Docter Nobilem 8x50 B/GA比较的。

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The KOMZ BPO 7x30. Most impressive are the oversized oculars. The serial number indicates its production year (1994). The prism symbol is the logo of the KOMZ plant.
KOMZ BPO 7x30。给人印象最深的是过大的目镜。通过序列号能判断生产年份(1994)。棱镜符号是KOMO厂的标示。

The BPO is produced at KOMZ (Kazansky Optiko-Mekhanichesky Zavod) in the Autonomous Republic of Tatars. 'B' stands for binocular, 'P' for Porro prism, and 'O' stands for individual focus oculars. It is featuring a pair of impressive oversized oculars with internal focusing, i.e. they neither move nor turn when focused. Fantao provides on his highly recommended Binofan web-page a detailed description of this sophisticated 7-lens eyepiece construction. The rubber eyecups screw in for use with gas-mask. There is a reticle in the right hand side which cannot be illuminated. Impressive is the extreme sturdy metal body which is not only water-proof but promises a reliable functioning at temperatures as low as -40 degrees Celsius. The BPO comes with yellow filters attached to the ocular-cover.
BPO是位于Autonomous Republic of Tatars 的KOMZ (Kazansky Optiko-Mekhanichesky Zavod)生产的。B表示双筒望远镜,P表示保罗棱镜,O表示目镜分别调焦。它的特征是令人印象深刻的过大的目镜,内部调焦,即调焦时不会转动和上下移动,Fantao在他的被高度推荐的Binofan web-page提供了这高级目镜的7镜片结构的详细描述(译者:连场镜也算成目镜了)。戴眼镜使用时橡胶目镜罩能被旋入。右目镜内的分化板不能被照明。印象深刻的是极其坚固的镜体,不仅能防水,还能保证在-40摄氏度的可靠性能。在目镜盖内装有黄色滤镜。

With only 30 mm aperture, this binocular has smaller objectives than its competitors. Isn't it questionable to compare 30 mm glasses with 40 mm glasses? In fact it is, since the total amount of incoming light differs by as much as 80%. On the other hand, the BPO is so large and heavy that it just doesn't seem to fit into the division of 30 mm binoculars. After all, this test is also a chance to address the question whether the tremendous weight of the device is reflected in a corresponding performance. The BPO 7x30 can be purchased new for 122 Euro at www.lekon-service.com. (It seems that in recent years clones of the BPO 7x30 have reached the market. Among other modifications, these models seem to lack the screw-in feature of the eyecups, are of less weight and also, at least some of them, of less quality. I got my BPO on e-bay and therefore I don't know of which quality the models at Lekon-Service really are; they confirmed that their BPOs were ordered straight from KOMZ).
只有30mm直径,这镜子的物镜要小于竞争者的。用30mm和40mm比较是没有疑问吗?事实上是的,因为入射光总量相差80%。另一方面,BPO是如此的庞大和笨重,看起来不适合只有30mm的镜子。毕竟,这次评测是确定一个问题的机会,即是否设备的巨大重量在性能一致时要反映出来。BPO 7x30在www.lekon-service.com能以122欧元买到。(最近几年似乎BPO 7x30的克隆出现在市场上了。相对其它改动,这个型号没有旋升眼罩,重量也较轻,至少性能也降低了。我是在Ebay上得到的BPO,因此我不知道Lekon-Service的型号的真实质量。他们强调说他们的BPO是从KOMZ厂直接订货的。

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The BPO 7x30, the Kronos 8x40 and the DF 7x40
发表于 2010-1-11 14:23  | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 footway 于 2010-1-12 20:19 编辑

The following table summarizes some of the specifications of the contenders.
下表是这些镜子的一些性能指标

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a : My own measurement; the official specification is 9.5 degrees
字母a表示我自己地测量值,说明书上是9.5度。

Optical performance光学性能

Angle of view: All glasses are wide angle. I could verify that all three of them have got about 8.5 degrees of real angle, which yields an apparent angle of 60 degrees for the DF and the BPO, and a pretty wide 68 degrees for the Kronos.
视角:这几个都是广角镜子。我能证实所有这三款镜子的真实视角都是8.5度,表现视场DF和BPO是60度,Kronos是68度。

Image sharpness: The BPO is the star! All through almost the entire field, the BPO offers a razor sharp and crisp image. Some degradation is discernible only at the outermost 10% of the field. In the DF and the Kronos, a similar aberration shows up already in the outer 25% of the field. If you think your binocular produces a sharp image, then compare with the BPO and you may reconsider your first impression. Similarly, at the night sky the BPO offers point-like stars throughout most parts of the field. The DF and the Kronos show point-like star images within the inner 60% of the field with a gradually increasing distortion toward the edge. With its large apparent angle of view, however, the Kronos leaves a good overall impression.
图像清晰度:BPO是明星。几乎整个视场,BPO能提供剃刀削过般干净利落的图像。只在视场最靠边的10%能察觉降低。DF和Kronos,在视场靠边的25%就有类似的降低了。如果你认为你的望远镜能提供清晰图像,那就和BPO比较,就会重新考虑开始印象了。类似,夜晚BPO在观星中大部分视场都提供了点状图像,DF和Kronos在中心60%区域提供点状图像,再靠边就逐渐加大变形。当然,Kronos拥有大的表现视场,留下全面的好印象。

Image color: The DF is almost neutral in color, with a very light yellowish tint. The Kronos shows a stronger yellow, but it is grossly outperformed by the BPO with its strong yellow image color. On a scale from 0 to 10, where 0 means neutral and 10 a complete yellow saturation, the DF may get 1 point, the Kronos 3, and the BPO 7 points. Fantao has dismantled the BPO's ocular and found a particular, single yellow lens element. This in fact indicates that probably a special glass type with exotic specifications (e.g. using rare earth or lanthanide additives) had to be employed for the ocular design.
图像颜色:DF几乎是自然色,只有轻微偏黄;Kronos表现更偏黄;但它被BPO的严重偏黄轻松超过。如果定义从0到10的程度,0意味着自然色,10意味着完全黄色,DF得1分,Kronos得3分,BPO得7分。Fantao拆开过BPO的目镜,发现一块特殊的独立黄色透镜,事实说明这种或许有奇异功效的特殊玻璃(举例说,使用稀土或添加了镧系元素)不得不使用在目镜上。

Rectilinear distortion: The BPO does not show any rectilinear distortion, i.e. straight lines appear straight all over the field. Most binoculars intentionally employ a slight amount of pincushion distortion to eliminate the globe effect with the panning binocular. Consequently, the BPO is showing such an effect, i.e. a characteristic convex curvature of the image while panning. Hans Seeger, in his book 'Fernglaeser und Fernrohre', points out that binoculars for naval use were sometimes designed without pincushion distortion, because here it looks particularly odd when the horizon is bending up and down while moving the glass. Therefore it should be pointed out that the presence or absence of pincushion distortion is no indicator for the quality of the binocular, but it reflects a particular design strategy.
直线扭曲:BPO没有任何直线扭曲,就是说,整个视场内看直线显示都是直线。大部分望远镜有意设计了轻微扭曲为了避免移动镜子时产生滚球效应。因此,BPO显示了如此效果,例如,当移动观测时,图像有凸曲面的特性。Hans Seeger在他的书《Fernglaeser und Fernrohre》中提到海军用镜有时设计上没有直线扭曲,因为当移动镜子时,海平线不停的向上向下变换弯曲会看起来很难受。这里需要指出的是枕形畸变的有或无并不标示望远镜的质量,只是反应了特殊设计策略。

Stray light: When there are bright sources of light outside the field of view, some light can enter through the objective lenses and illuminate the inner wall of the tube. Part of this illumination can be reflected into the optical path and enter the eye as stray light, reducing the contrast of the image. Here, the DF performs best, and there is almost no indication for such an effect visible. In the BPO, under certain angles, some stray light can enter, and in the Kronos this effect can become disturbing. It is caused by the somewhat glossy finish of the inner tube. The intensity of the stray light in the Kronos 8x40 is little more than observed earlier in the Kronos 6x30 review, i.e. it is not too bad, but in the present test the competition is tough so that the Kronos is falling a bit behind.
漫射光:当视场外存在光源,部分光线能进入物镜,照亮镜筒内壁。部分光线能被反射进入光路,最后作为漫射光进入眼睛,减少了图像对比度。这里,DF表现最好,几乎没有可见的漫射光迹象;BPO在某些特定角度混进一些些漫射光;Kronos的漫射光作用就比较烦恼了,原因是靠物镜的内部的平滑表面。Kronos 8x40的漫射光程度比早先评测过的Kronos 6x30稍微厉害,就是说,不是最糟糕,但先前评测竞争过于激烈,所以Kronos稍微落后了一些。

Ghost images: If, at night, a bright object (street lantern, moon) is positioned into the field, reflections on the air-to-glass surfaces take place, which can lead to multiple 'ghost' images of the light source. Here, the Kronos gives a good impression, with very little tendency for ghosting. The DF is similarly immunized through the left tube, but on the right hand side there are reflections on the reticle, which is apparently not well coated. The BPO is prone to ghost images on both sides. It seems that here we have to pay for the extremely complicated eyepiece construction with its numerous air-to-glass transits. Again, the right hand side with its reticle is a little worse.
鬼影:如果,在晚上,一个命令物体(路灯,月亮)进入了视野,在玻璃表面发生反射,能产生光源的多个鬼魂般的影像。这里Kronos表现良好,只有轻微鬼影;DF的左镜筒同样没有,但右镜筒的刻度板有反光,显然刻度板没有很好镀膜;BPO的双筒都有鬼影,这不得不怪罪于极端复杂的目镜的众多玻璃表面,再一次,右边的鬼影现象因为刻度板而更糟糕一点。

Low light performance: The three binoculars perform exactly as expected from their exit pupil diameters: With decreasing day light, the image of the BPO is the first one to turn flat as a result of vanishing surface details. It can be clearly observed how the DF still gives a 3-dimensional impression of the scenery when the BPO just shows some patches of different brightness without any apparent mutual distance relation. This is not a deficiency of the BPO but the natural consequence of its smaller aperture. The Kronos's twilight features come quite close to the DF's, but the fact that the Russian glass is more prone to stray light is of some relevance here: The sky is still brighter than the fields and glare from the tube, projected to the outer edge of the exit pupil, starts entering the eye's pupil which is, at lower light, growing in size. The contrast of the Kronos's image is therefore reduced and this is the main reason why it cannot match the DF's low light performance. With an exit pupil of 5.7 mm, the DF's little residual stray light is gone once it is dark enough for the eye's pupil to surpass this diameter. At the night sky, however, I prefer the Kronos because of its wider apparent angle of view and absence of reticle.
低照明表现:因出瞳直径有区别,这三款镜子如期望的那样表现:随着光线变暗,BPO的图像第一个变得虚弱,结果丧失表面细节。能很清楚注意到DF仍能给出景象的3维表现,而此时当BPO只能显示某些零碎的亮度差异却不能体现距离感,这不是BPO的无能,而是口径较小的自然表现。Kronos的黄昏表现与DF很接近,但俄罗斯的玻璃倾向于抑制漫射光,部分原因是:天空依然比地面亮,眩光照进镜筒,射向出瞳孔径边缘外侧,输入进眼睛,当低照明时,强度随着孔径增大。与DF对比Kronos的图像的因此降级,这是为什么赶不上DF的低照明表现的主要原因。DF拥有5.7mm的出瞳直径,当变的很黑,人眼瞳孔直径超过5.7,DF的一点剩余的漫射光也能忍受。 虽然如此,我更喜欢用Kronos看夜空因为它的更大的表现视野和没有刻度板。
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发表于 2010-1-11 14:23  | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 footway 于 2010-1-12 20:22 编辑

Summary 总结

Which binocular is better? This is so difficult to answer because the characteristic features of them differ a lot. One may be tempted to set up a table of features and distribute points, where the highest performing glass gets 3 points and the lowest gets 1 point. In case several binoculars are ranking equally, their scores are averaged.
哪个镜子更好?这很难回答,因为它们的各性能差别太大。建立一个各性能的表格分布着分数,最高的得3分,最低的得1分。如果多个镜子某性能表现平等,分数平均。

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The final score suggests that the DF is somewhat ahead of the Russian competitors and this may be, summa summarum, correct, because it really has no weak points. Such a score is misleading, however, because it can't take into account the intentions of the user: You want to take out the glass for trekking in the mountains? Then the 1.3 kg of the DF could be prohibitive. You want to take it on your boat for sailing? Then the Kronos is useless because it is not waterproof and the salty atmosphere would corrode the aluminum body. The BPO's yellow image is disturbing for bird watchers, but if you like to carry out architectural studies then it is perfect because of its angular fidelity and sharp image.
最终分显示DF稍微领先于俄罗斯竞争者,或许是对的,论证正确,因为它真的没有缺点。但是,这分数能误导人,因为它没有考虑用户意图:你想携带镜子去山上跋涉?那么DF的1.3公斤令人望而却步。你想航海时在船上使用?Kronos因为不能防水,含盐空气会腐蚀铝质镜体而失去利用价值。BPO的偏黄在观鸟时是令人烦恼的,但如果携带它学习建筑会非常好,因为它有清晰和平坦真实的图像(ytwiger)。

The NVA DF is a perfect example of a well balanced design. All potential problems are taken care of. In contrast, the BPO follows a different design philosophy: Efforts were focused to obtain a highly corrected image without any angular distortion. The resulting device has to pay for that with a yellow image (due to exotic glasses in the ocular construction), some glare (due to large number of lens elements) and a weird panning behavior (as a result of the globe effect). The Kronos could be easily improved with a better stray light suppression. Some more baffling and a better finish of the inner tube are moderate modifications which would erase the weakest point of its optics (in fact, the larger 10x50 version, with its longer objective tubes, is suffering even more from the same defect). This done, a few minor improvements in the construction, e.g. fold-down eyecups and a solid central focus - or, why not individual focused oculars? - would allow the Kronos to compete with the high end line of binoculars of its class which cost a multiple amount of the Kronos's price.
NVA DF是有很好均衡设计的完美例子,考虑到了所有潜在问题。与之相反,BPO是另一种不同的设计原理:精力集中在获得高度准确图像,没有任何角扭曲。结果这镜子付出的代价有图像偏黄(怪罪于目镜里的奇异的玻璃),眩光(镜片的数量太多),和移动观测的怪异现象(滚球效应的结果)。Kronos应该能轻易将抑制散射光改进更好,增加拦光障碍,物镜端内侧适当修改会更好,这将消除这镜子的最大缺陷(实际上,更大些的10x50版本,因有更长的物镜筒和同样缺陷而让人更受苦)。做完这些,一些结构上的小改进,例如,能向下折的眼罩,调紧中调旋钮,或者,为什么不用分调的。这些将使Kronos在望远镜竞争中处于高端,同级别的镜子的价格是Kronos的数倍。

In conclusion, considering their performance and also their price tags, all three binoculars are bargains, and I won't hesitate to recommend any of them to anybody looking for a low magnification, medium sized, wide angle binocular in the medium price range.
最后,考虑到它们的性能和价格,这三款镜子都很值,我会毫不犹豫的推荐任何一款给任何正寻求一个低倍率,中等尺寸,大视野,中等价位的望远镜的人。

Disclaimer 免责声明

The information given in this report reflects the personal impression and opinion of the author only. I cannot guarantee for the accuracy of any given specification. I have neither been payed nor have I been supported in any other way to write this review.
在本报告中的资料反映了个人的印象和作者的见解而已。我不能保证任何特定规格的准确性。写这个报告我没有得到任何付费和任何支持。

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发表于 2010-1-11 15:18  | 显示全部楼层
BPO的偏黄在观鸟时是令人烦恼的,但如果携带它学习建筑会非常好,因为它有清晰和高度真实的图像。
有个词稍微换一下:因为它有清晰和角度真实的图像(理解为无枕形畸变)
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发表于 2010-1-11 15:22  | 显示全部楼层
不好意思,我不懂光学,英语也很差,因有人常说“猴哥”的评测,就找了他的文章,非常生硬的翻译出来的。
有不对的地方,请指正,我会一一修改的。
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发表于 2010-1-11 15:22  | 显示全部楼层
文章看着眼熟,猴哥的?

英文没看懂,这回慢慢看
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发表于 2010-1-11 15:29  | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2010-1-11 15:48  | 显示全部楼层
这国产的镜子,德国人评测,再翻译成中文...........
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发表于 2010-1-11 15:48  | 显示全部楼层
翻译的非常好!
他有个7个porro的帖子你别翻译了,我以前翻译过,别重复了。
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发表于 2010-1-11 16:05  | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 footway 于 2010-1-11 16:07 编辑

前年看过您的翻译了,是第一次看到评测文章,印象非常深。很荣幸受到您表扬。
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发表于 2010-1-11 17:48  | 显示全部楼层
不好意思,我只是随便说一下,楼主太谦虚了,其实那样解释挺别扭的(可能用“清晰和平坦真实的图像”更好一点?请指正),我只是把意思表述一下而已(只是觉得“高度真实”是顶级镜追求和接近的,由于偏色和亮度的原因这个词用在全七上好像不妥),对不住啊
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发表于 2010-1-11 19:17  | 显示全部楼层
很棒的翻译!
如果加上EDF和IOR的同场PK就好了,DF毕竟廉颇老矣..........
EDF IOR也是严重偏黄的军镜,由于玻璃 镀膜 口径的优势,看起来比全7显得“透”一些。相比之下全7的成像有些“发闷”。
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发表于 2010-1-11 20:00  | 显示全部楼层
Holger 说全七的中心高锐度一直杀到90%半径处,这一优点跟尼康8X32SE一样的,完全一样。但是,后者当前淘宝网店喊七千块/具,七倍!看来俄罗斯人经商不行。
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发表于 2010-1-11 20:03  | 显示全部楼层
Holger 说全七的中心高锐度一直杀到90%半径处,这一优点跟尼康8X32SE一样的,完全一样。但是,后者当前淘宝网店喊七千块/具,七倍!看来俄罗斯人经商不行。
棱丝 发表于 2010-1-11 20:00

完全不是一个档次的镜子。难道全7值4000?
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发表于 2010-1-11 20:04  | 显示全部楼层
Holger 说全七的中心高锐度一直杀到90%半径处,这一优点跟尼康8X32SE一样的,完全一样。但是,后者当前淘宝网店喊七千块/具,七倍!看来俄罗斯人经商不行。
棱丝 发表于 2010-1-11 20:00


SE哪有这么贵?再说SE的光学效果和全七不是一个档次,做工就更不用说了。
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发表于 2010-1-11 20:07  | 显示全部楼层
14# 我爱baby
只是比较之下,感到全七物超所值。俺没说四千。
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发表于 2010-1-11 20:32  | 显示全部楼层
哦,记错了,是五千。
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发表于 2010-1-11 20:43  | 显示全部楼层
花几百元就能体会到很多高端目镜的设计技术和独特的设计理念,也就全7提供给了普通消费者这个机会。

全7和全10赔就赔在镀膜迟迟不改进,否则诟病会少很多。
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发表于 2010-1-11 20:57  | 显示全部楼层
很棒的翻译!
如果加上EDF和IOR的同场PK就好了,DF毕竟廉颇老矣..........
EDF IOR也是严重偏黄的军镜,由于玻璃 镀膜 口径的优势,看起来比全7显得“透”一些。相比之下全7的成像有些“发闷”。
我爱baby 发表于 2010-1-11 19:17

在体积重量接近的条件下,IOR的边缘像质和畸变 以及主观锐度不如全7,其他方面比全7好。
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发表于 2010-1-11 21:02  | 显示全部楼层
花几百元就能体会到很多高端目镜的设计技术和独特的设计理念,也就全7提供给了普通消费者这个机会。

全7和全10赔就赔在镀膜迟迟不改进,否则诟病会少很多。
ranger 发表于 2010-1-11 20:43

如果改进镀膜  提高透光率,改进消光,成本肯定提高一大截,价格也不会像现在这样平民了。
7倍保罗镜较容易做锐,如果不是追求极端变形校正,几百元的国产镜或许也是个不错的选择。
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