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发表于 2006-3-19 05:48  | 显示全部楼层 | 阅读模式
很少买国产镜,听说这款不错,于是买来打算送给远在澳洲的好友(Eddy),在寄出之前,顺便做个测评,参照镜是SP。这个测评过程有点不寻常,因为左边有座标,所以大部份评测以右(单)眼进行。
第一感觉,中心通透度很好,影像扎实锐利,舒适度高,估计在战神之上(没有AB比较,不能作准),仍稍不如SP(意料中事)。此外,消光非常好(右边),基本达到高级货水平。
与SP比较,明显差距有四方面:
1)色彩还原未能达到顶级水平,MS好像仍有少许偏灰(红?),但整体色彩表现令我满意。
2)亮度不如SP,但在夜间表现尚算不错。
3)中心色差修得很淡(需准确调好瞳距及准确对焦),在高光时仍明显不如SP。
4)边缘像差方面,大概属于STEINER-COMMANDER的水平,把远处一个圆灯泡置于影像边缘,MS把灯泡“拉伸”的长度,比SP长一倍以上。但在日常使用,已经足够有余。
外观工艺方面,MS足以逼近日本的顶级产品,坦白说,我个人觉得,这已经不像是国货的工艺,言而这是一件100%的国货,说明我国是有能力做出很好的外观工艺。
总结而言,MS光学不如SP是意料中事,但不如SP的镜多的是,以MS的光学水平,足以令绝大多数的用家感到满意,包胶的镜身使它肯定比SP更实用。MS有一个工艺不错,又十分实用的镜袋,不但取用方便,而且备有放镜布与杂物的间隔,镜带也比NIKON的好,加上只是SP约1/3的价格,可以完全不考虑日本的二线7X50了。

国产 MS-7X50

国产 MS-7X50

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发表于 2006-3-19 06:05  | 显示全部楼层
<>好!!!</P>
发表于 2006-3-19 06:06  | 显示全部楼层
<>昨夜正想向EDF版主讨教MS7x50的事情呢,记得前两天您提及SP和MS的格镜,这里EDF就把结果公布,真好!</P>

<>记得雄鹰半年前曾神秘地告诉我有一批不错的国产镜子要上市,估计就是这批MS系列,我昨天在United Optic网站上看到了全系列MS镜从7x50,10x50,10.5x70到15x85??,20x110,28x110等等都有。</P>
发表于 2006-3-19 06:11  | 显示全部楼层
要是像Nikon一样没有分化板就更好了。干吗国产镜子总弄个分化来着?都给军队配备?
发表于 2006-3-19 06:19  | 显示全部楼层
这是因为绝大部份国人认为军镜等于好镜。
发表于 2006-3-19 06:24  | 显示全部楼层
<>   原来看过觉得不错,无论从光学和工艺都是国内顶级了,但象我这样的新手,没看过顶级镜也就无法比较它们的差距.现在EDF 做了这么详细对比,有兴趣的不用犹豫了.</P>
发表于 2006-3-19 06:29  | 显示全部楼层
ranger應該已經見過這款鏡。
发表于 2006-3-19 06:33  | 显示全部楼层
终于见到这个镜子的测评了!
发表于 2006-3-19 06:33  | 显示全部楼层
<>这个镜子在北京的店里卖时,老板总是称该镜子是给FujinonOEM的产品。</P>
<>记忆中该镜子通透程度很不错,也很锐利,但是其畸变校正和像场平整程度应该比顶级水平有差距,好像没有平场镜片?</P>
<>另外有国外资料称该镜子使用ED镜片,因此色差修正质量很不错。有个国外天文论坛CloudyNight上的资深Edz称其色差修正和抗眩光能力都很好。</P>
发表于 2006-3-19 06:36  | 显示全部楼层
明天有时间再去仔细看看该镜子,北京至少有两个地方在销售该镜子。
发表于 2006-3-19 06:43  | 显示全部楼层
深圳我看到的这家,打上的是hundo这个牌子,"我的天"的现在也用hundo这个牌子.
发表于 2006-3-19 06:46  | 显示全部楼层
北京的货上没有牌子,干脆打Fujinon算了。
发表于 2006-3-19 06:48  | 显示全部楼层
<>CloudyNights Telescope Reviews 上的资深教授Edz对MS7x50的评价(国外称William Optic 7x50ED)</P>
<>I’ve have a William Optics 7x50 ED for testing and I’ve had it out just a little so far. So I can report some early findings. <BR><BR>This is a heavy binocular about 3.5 pounds, but not much different than the two other 7x50s I have in the house, both over 3#. I found it still pretty stable to hand hold. <BR><BR>The IPD range is 57.5 to 72mm. <BR><BR>The coatings are particularly impressive. I had to try very hard to see my reflection at all in the light bouncing off the objective lens. I compared to several other binoculars and this William Optic 7x50 ED shows so very little reflection it is comparable to the Nikon Superior E 12x50 and maybe even slightly better than the Fujinon FMT-SX 16x70. <BR><BR>This is an Individual Focus eyepiece binocular. For my eyeglass corrected eyes the diopter settings are near exact on zero from my evening of viewing stars at infinity. For my resolution readings at a distance of 125’, I found my eyeglass corrected diopter settings show a reading of +1. The diopter range extends from +6 to –6 and eyepiece travel is about 4.5mm in or out from the zero setting. <BR><BR>The aperture measures 50mm with no apparent stops. <BR><BR>There are no apparent edges of exit pupil cut off. They are nice and round. <BR><BR>I measured exit pupil several times and come up with about 7.2mm. That is within 1% of expected and could be measuring error. <BR><BR>Close Focus was measured at 23 feet, not the 4m as published. <BR><BR>Objective covers are captive. Rather than over caps, they are the stick in type. They are a poor fit and repeatedly came open of their own accord. I found them particularly annoying. <BR><BR>Eye guards are rubber fold down and when fully extended are a nice soft rubber that you can push up against your eye sockets. <BR><BR>The binocular L-bracket mounting hole is set back several mm behind a very narrow space in the prism housings. I have 8 different styles of binocular brackets. Only two would work, one was custom made and it is very non-standard and the other is the Orion Small L bracket. None of my deluxe binocular L brakets would work. Either you need a bracket with a 5mm extension nub at the binocular mount screw or you need a bracket that is only 7-8mm wide. None that I know of are that narrow. The narrow style Pentax L bracket is about 20mm wide and would only allow me to get the IPD in as close as 68mm. <BR><BR>Eye relief is very long. Exit pupil focus distance is 18mm behind the eyecups when they are folded down for use with glasses. Depth to the lens is 7.4mm. Pressing my eyeglasses hard up to the folded down eyecups would result in minor blackout. With the eyecups folded down for eyeglass viewing, handheld I needed to place my thumbs against my cheekbones to hold the binocular far enough out to prevent blackouts. That is similar to the Nikon 12x50 SE. This actually should bode well for those with thicker glasses, as I find I usually need only about 14mm with my thin glasses. I could almost see the entire fov while wearing my glasses even with the eyecups fully extended. <BR><BR>Resolution as tested with a USAF line pairs chart shows 13.5 arcseconds in subdued light and 12.1 arcsec in bright light. These results produce apparent resolution of 95 arcsec subdued and 85 arcsec in bright light. These readings are in line with almost every other binocular I’ve tested, as most other binoculars I’ve tested fall between 97 and 90 in bright light. While I have suspected seeing 85 arcsec apparent resolution with several other binoculars, with this binocular, I suspected seeing 76 arcsec apparent. I made no attempt to use supplemental magnification behind the lens. <BR><BR>Handheld, I found I was able to easily read 10mm tall x 2mm thick lettering at 125 feet. That’s less than 1 arcminute resolution or approx 6 arcminutes apparent resolution handheld. <BR><BR>The fov is stated as 7° 30’, or 7.5°. I measured the True field of view as 7.3° to 7.4°, very close to stated. That gives an eyepiece with an Afov of 52°. There was no feeling of a narrow Afov with these binoculars. In fact I was surprised at the nice wide field of view. The impression one gets handheld is a field of view sharp completely across the view. <BR><BR>Accurate measuring of sharpness of image across the field of view showed some problems. The sharpness is not balanced. 16 Cygni, a 6.0-6.1/39” double star could be seen clearly separated out to 90% of the field on the right side. However on the left side of the view, it became distorted beyond perception at 70% out from center. Both barrels produced the same error. The same error was noticed when observing the USAF resolution bar charts. <BR><BR>The right barrel shows some minor amount of astigmatism. This was seen on-axis as a bright star was defocused inside and outside of focus. The orientation of the out-of-focus image would flip 90° as I passed thru the precise focus point. <BR><BR>The binocular is stated as waterproof / shockproof. I can say that it seems very ruggedly built. I did not attempt a water immersion test. I appreciate waterproof binoculars since I often leave my equipment out overnight. Quite often, I find my equipment completely soaked with morning dew. I never get too concerned about my waterproof equipment, but always need to protect binoculars such as the Nikon SE. <BR><BR>This binocular uses some combination of ED glass. Chromatic Aberration is very well suppressed. I could not produce any false color on any astronomical objects anywhere in the field of view, including mag1 stars, mag –1.7 Mars and the near full moon. Also I could not produce any false color in daylight when viewing the edges of white porch posts in sunlight or when viewing sunlit tree limbs against a bright blue sky background. <BR><BR>Internal baffling is flat gray/black ridges in the barrels. I could not produce any ghosting or internal reflections with the moon off axis or just out of the edge of the field of view. <BR><BR>The binocular is complete wrapped in a 1.2mm thick rubber coated armor. The rubber armor is brown. <BR><BR>Collimation of star points was not seen to be in error by more than a very small amount, well within standards and easily merged. Collimation of the field overlap is off by several arcminutes. It is more noticeable in daylight viewing, where I would say field overlap is off by 10 to 12 inches at 200 feet. That represents about 15 arcminutes, or 3% of the field. There are no externally accessible prism adjustment screws found under the rubber armor. <BR><BR>The IPD hinge is solidly stiff and very smooth. The eyepieces likewise are solidly stiff, but move with a quiet smoothness. Nothing moves unless you intend to move it. <BR><BR>Night-sky observing impressions show a very clear bright view. At 7x, not much detail can be seen, but that impression is from one who spends a lot of time behind 16x70, 20x80, 25x100 and even 30x-40x100 binoculars. So I can’t very well compare this 7x binocular to some of the star counts I’ve done or to the density seen in clusters like the double cluster at 20x or 25x. I did find one particular object of interest last night. The moon was just rising and very low behind some thin clouds, so it didn’t much interfere. I scanned around (mounted) in the vicinity of M31 and had some pleasant views. I dropped down a little lower to search for M33 a much more difficult to see extended galaxy. At first I didn’t see it. Once I got out my charts and located the exact spot, I was then only able to see it with averted vision. As I would wiggle the binocular back and forth just a little, maybe a degree, I could see the diffuse background glow of this very extended face on galaxy. I was then able to confirm what I saw by moving away and coming back to the area. Using the same back and forth scan, I could pretty easily pick out M33 as just ever so slightly brighter against the background sky. I would consider this an indicator of good contrast. <BR><BR>This is a very nice binocular. Some users are content with low power views. It would not be my binocular of choice for astronomy, but it could be for any number of people who cherish those low powers wide swaths of sky. This particular binocular could provide you those views. It seems pretty comfortable to hand hold and produces no false color or internal reflections to speak of. If you have the large eye pupils to take advantage of this 7.2mm exit pupil, you would have a very bright image. This large exit pupil will also make it easy for you to hold onto the view in daylight, although your effective aperture would be much smaller. Still, the image seems crisp and daylight color rendition seems pretty natural. <BR><BR>The binocular sells for $299.00 from William Optics. <BR><BR>edz <BR></P>
发表于 2006-3-19 06:54  | 显示全部楼层
[B]以下是引用[I]ranger[/I]在2006-3-18 22:46:04的发言:[/B][BR]北京的货上没有牌子,干脆打Fujinon算了。

前几天的贴子有镜友问到这镜子,就因为仿Fujinon,有不少声讨,要是打上Fujinon,肯定被口水淹死!
发表于 2006-3-19 06:55  | 显示全部楼层
[B]以下是引用[I]ranger[/I]在2006-3-18 22:48:11的发言:[/B][BR]<>CloudyNights Telescope Reviews 上的资深教授Edz对MS7x50的评价(国外称William Optic 7x50ED)</P><>I’ve have a William Optics 7x50 ED for testing and I’ve had it out just a little so far. So I can report some early findings. <BR><BR>This is a heavy binocular about 3.5 pounds, but not much different than the two other 7x50s I have in the house, both over 3#. I found it still pretty stable to hand hold. <BR><BR>The IPD range is 57.5 to 72mm. <BR><BR>The coatings are particularly impressive. I had to try very hard to see my reflection at all in the light bouncing off the objective lens. I compared to several other binoculars and this William Optic 7x50 ED shows so very little reflection it is comparable to the Nikon Superior E 12x50 and maybe even slightly better than the Fujinon FMT-SX 16x70. <BR><BR>This is an Individual Focus eyepiece binocular. For my eyeglass corrected eyes the diopter settings are near exact on zero from my evening of viewing stars at infinity. For my resolution readings at a distance of 125’, I found my eyeglass corrected diopter settings show a reading of +1. The diopter range extends from +6 to –6 and eyepiece travel is about 4.5mm in or out from the zero setting. <BR><BR>The aperture measures 50mm with no apparent stops. <BR><BR>There are no apparent edges of exit pupil cut off. They are nice and round. <BR><BR>I measured exit pupil several times and come up with about 7.2mm. That is within 1% of expected and could be measuring error. <BR><BR>Close Focus was measured at 23 feet, not the 4m as published. <BR><BR>Objective covers are captive. Rather than over caps, they are the stick in type. They are a poor fit and repeatedly came open of their own accord. I found them particularly annoying. <BR><BR>Eye guards are rubber fold down and when fully extended are a nice soft rubber that you can push up against your eye sockets. <BR><BR>The binocular L-bracket mounting hole is set back several mm behind a very narrow space in the prism housings. I have 8 different styles of binocular brackets. Only two would work, one was custom made and it is very non-standard and the other is the Orion Small L bracket. None of my deluxe binocular L brakets would work. Either you need a bracket with a 5mm extension nub at the binocular mount screw or you need a bracket that is only 7-8mm wide. None that I know of are that narrow. The narrow style Pentax L bracket is about 20mm wide and would only allow me to get the IPD in as close as 68mm. <BR><BR>Eye relief is very long. Exit pupil focus distance is 18mm behind the eyecups when they are folded down for use with glasses. Depth to the lens is 7.4mm. Pressing my eyeglasses hard up to the folded down eyecups would result in minor blackout. With the eyecups folded down for eyeglass viewing, handheld I needed to place my thumbs against my cheekbones to hold the binocular far enough out to prevent blackouts. That is similar to the Nikon 12x50 SE. This actually should bode well for those with thicker glasses, as I find I usually need only about 14mm with my thin glasses. I could almost see the entire fov while wearing my glasses even with the eyecups fully extended. <BR><BR>Resolution as tested with a USAF line pairs chart shows 13.5 arcseconds in subdued light and 12.1 arcsec in bright light. These results produce apparent resolution of 95 arcsec subdued and 85 arcsec in bright light. These readings are in line with almost every other binocular I’ve tested, as most other binoculars I’ve tested fall between 97 and 90 in bright light. While I have suspected seeing 85 arcsec apparent resolution with several other binoculars, with this binocular, I suspected seeing 76 arcsec apparent. I made no attempt to use supplemental magnification behind the lens. <BR><BR>Handheld, I found I was able to easily read 10mm tall x 2mm thick lettering at 125 feet. That’s less than 1 arcminute resolution or approx 6 arcminutes apparent resolution handheld. <BR><BR>The fov is stated as 7° 30’, or 7.5°. I measured the True field of view as 7.3° to 7.4°, very close to stated. That gives an eyepiece with an Afov of 52°. There was no feeling of a narrow Afov with these binoculars. In fact I was surprised at the nice wide field of view. The impression one gets handheld is a field of view sharp completely across the view. <BR><BR>Accurate measuring of sharpness of image across the field of view showed some problems. The sharpness is not balanced. 16 Cygni, a 6.0-6.1/39” double star could be seen clearly separated out to 90% of the field on the right side. However on the left side of the view, it became distorted beyond perception at 70% out from center. Both barrels produced the same error. The same error was noticed when observing the USAF resolution bar charts. <BR><BR>The right barrel shows some minor amount of astigmatism. This was seen on-axis as a bright star was defocused inside and outside of focus. The orientation of the out-of-focus image would flip 90° as I passed thru the precise focus point. <BR><BR>The binocular is stated as waterproof / shockproof. I can say that it seems very ruggedly built. I did not attempt a water immersion test. I appreciate waterproof binoculars since I often leave my equipment out overnight. Quite often, I find my equipment completely soaked with morning dew. I never get too concerned about my waterproof equipment, but always need to protect binoculars such as the Nikon SE. <BR><BR>This binocular uses some combination of ED glass. Chromatic Aberration is very well suppressed. I could not produce any false color on any astronomical objects anywhere in the field of view, including mag1 stars, mag –1.7 Mars and the near full moon. Also I could not produce any false color in daylight when viewing the edges of white porch posts in sunlight or when viewing sunlit tree limbs against a bright blue sky background. <BR><BR>Internal baffling is flat gray/black ridges in the barrels. I could not produce any ghosting or internal reflections with the moon off axis or just out of the edge of the field of view. <BR><BR>The binocular is complete wrapped in a 1.2mm thick rubber coated armor. The rubber armor is brown. <BR><BR>Collimation of star points was not seen to be in error by more than a very small amount, well within standards and easily merged. Collimation of the field overlap is off by several arcminutes. It is more noticeable in daylight viewing, where I would say field overlap is off by 10 to 12 inches at 200 feet. That represents about 15 arcminutes, or 3% of the field. There are no externally accessible prism adjustment screws found under the rubber armor. <BR><BR>The IPD hinge is solidly stiff and very smooth. The eyepieces likewise are solidly stiff, but move with a quiet smoothness. Nothing moves unless you intend to move it. <BR><BR>Night-sky observing impressions show a very clear bright view. At 7x, not much detail can be seen, but that impression is from one who spends a lot of time behind 16x70, 20x80, 25x100 and even 30x-40x100 binoculars. So I can’t very well compare this 7x binocular to some of the star counts I’ve done or to the density seen in clusters like the double cluster at 20x or 25x. I did find one particular object of interest last night. The moon was just rising and very low behind some thin clouds, so it didn’t much interfere. I scanned around (mounted) in the vicinity of M31 and had some pleasant views. I dropped down a little lower to search for M33 a much more difficult to see extended galaxy. At first I didn’t see it. Once I got out my charts and located the exact spot, I was then only able to see it with averted vision. As I would wiggle the binocular back and forth just a little, maybe a degree, I could see the diffuse background glow of this very extended face on galaxy. I was then able to confirm what I saw by moving away and coming back to the area. Using the same back and forth scan, I could pretty easily pick out M33 as just ever so slightly brighter against the background sky. I would consider this an indicator of good contrast. <BR><BR>This is a very nice binocular. Some users are content with low power views. It would not be my binocular of choice for astronomy, but it could be for any number of people who cherish those low powers wide swaths of sky. This particular binocular could provide you those views. It seems pretty comfortable to hand hold and produces no false color or internal reflections to speak of. If you have the large eye pupils to take advantage of this 7.2mm exit pupil, you would have a very bright image. This large exit pupil will also make it easy for you to hold onto the view in daylight, although your effective aperture would be much smaller. Still, the image seems crisp and daylight color rendition seems pretty natural. <BR><BR>The binocular sells for $299.00 from William Optics. <BR><BR>edz <BR></P>

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发表于 2006-3-19 06:59  | 显示全部楼层
[B]以下是引用[I]EDF[/I]在2006-3-18 21:48:38的发言:[/B][BR]外观工艺方面,MS足以逼近日本的顶级产品,坦白说,我个人觉得,这已经不像是国货的工艺,言而这是一件100%的国货,说明我国是有能力做出很好的外观工艺。
总结而言,MS光学不如SP是意料中事,但不如SP的镜多的是,以MS的光学水平,足以令绝大多数的用家感到满意,包胶的镜身使它肯定比SP更实用。MS有一个工艺不错,又十分实用的镜袋,不但取用方便,而且备有放镜布与杂物的间隔,镜带也比NIKON的好,加上只是SP约1/3的价格,可以完全不考虑日本的二线7X50了。


EDF这一帖可是给国产货打了一剂强心针!
发表于 2006-3-19 07:01  | 显示全部楼层
[B]以下是引用[I]ranger[/I]在2006-3-18 22:06:21的发言:[/B][BR]<>昨夜正想向EDF版主讨教MS7x50的事情呢,记得前两天您提及SP和MS的格镜,这里EDF就把结果公布,真好!</P><>记得雄鹰半年前曾神秘地告诉我有一批不错的国产镜子要上市,估计就是这批MS系列,我昨天在United Optic网站上看到了全系列MS镜从7x50,10x50,10.5x70到15x85??,20x110,28x110等等都有。</P>



United Optic网站有连接吗?10.5*70,15*85,规格很古怪了!
发表于 2006-3-19 07:03  | 显示全部楼层
[B]以下是引用[I]阿戈[/I]在2006-3-18 22:54:32的发言:[/B][BR]<div class=quote>[B]以下是引用[I]ranger[/I]在2006-3-18 22:46:04的发言:[/B][BR]北京的货上没有牌子,干脆打Fujinon算了。</div>
前几天的贴子有镜友问到这镜子,就因为仿Fujinon,有不少声讨,要是打上Fujinon,肯定被口水淹死!


既然能做到这水平,为什么不设计自己的独特外形呢?
发表于 2006-3-19 07:04  | 显示全部楼层
<>国货望远镜就是没有一个响亮的品牌,这是最大的问题。</P>
<>假如这个产品是SICONG的牌子,就好多了!</P>
发表于 2006-3-19 07:06  | 显示全部楼层
[B]以下是引用[I]罗宵[/I]在2006-3-18 23:01:15的发言:[/B][BR]<div class=quote>[B]以下是引用[I]ranger[/I]在2006-3-18 22:06:21的发言:[/B][BR]<>昨夜正想向EDF版主讨教MS7x50的事情呢,记得前两天您提及SP和MS的格镜,这里EDF就把结果公布,真好!</P><>记得雄鹰半年前曾神秘地告诉我有一批不错的国产镜子要上市,估计就是这批MS系列,我昨天在United Optic网站上看到了全系列MS镜从7x50,10x50,10.5x70到15x85??,20x110,28x110等等都有。</P></div>


United Optic网站有连接吗?10.5*70,15*85,规格很古怪了!

罗宵兄看这里。
http://www.united-optics.com/products/ast-series/astr-s-8/astr-s-8.htm

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